1851 Census - King Township
(Canada West Reel #60 - C-988) 403 - Part 2 - p. 22 marked at bottom)
1861 Census - King Township Enumerated March 5, 1861
(Film C1088 - At the beginning of the microfilm)
District 9, p. 8 (112 at top right)
J___ Forsyth, Labourer, b. Scotland, Pres, 25 next birthday, (He is shown as a family member, 'M' was entered in the marital status column and then crossed out)
Mary McAuley (?), Pres. 15, single, non-member of family
William Dale, 62 , b. England
Dinah Dale, 53 , b. England
David Dale, 32 , b. England
Thom Dale, 24, b. Ontario
Mary Dale, 21, b. Canada
?John/James Dale, 15, b. Canada
Susan Dale, 14, b. Canada
Richard Dale, 12, b. Canada
all ages are 'next birthday'
2 males attending school, 1 male absent from family, 1 male over 20 illiterate, log cabin, 1 story, 1 family,
Sunday, May 24, 2009
Forsyth Emigration from Scotland
According to Scots census records (see May 2, 2009 post for John and Charlotte Forsyth), the family of John Forsyth and Charlotte Cockburn are listed as follows:
1841 - Dirleton, East Lothian
John was an agricultural labourer, age 35, and Charlotte, age 40, and all family members , age 3-10, are together in Dirleton. Living with them is a 37 year old female servant and a 15 year old male servant.
1851 - Dunbar, East Lothian, Dunbar Landward, Dunbar Upper Post Rd, Eweford Cottages
John is 45 and an agricultural labourer (born Pennycuick, Mid-Lothian) and Charlotte is 55 (born in East Lothian). Alison is 19 and John, 15, and both are shown as an agricultural labourers. Robert is 13 and still in school. All children are born in Dirleton. There is a Charles Brown, 11, also still in school. He might be a nephew, son of Charlotte's other sister.
The eldest son Charles is living with his mother's sister Ann Goodlet near Dirleton in a village called Unk. Their address is 32 Cotters House. Her husband Hugh is a cart(er?)/millwright and Charles is shown as a "Lodger, 17, Wright Apprentice, b. E. L.-Dirleton."
1861 - Crawhill (Crowhill?) near Innerwick (south of Dunbar) East Lothian
John is 56 and a shepherd. Only their youngest son is with them now. "FORSYTH, Robert, Son, age 23, Tailor Journeyman, b. E.L.-Dirleton." Alison is in Dirleton with her Aunt Ann Goodlet and her husband Hugh, and Alison is shown as a "Visiter, 29, Dressmaker, b. E. L.-Dirleton"
We know that in the 1861 Canadian census, John Jr. is unmarried and with the Dales family in King Township in Ontario. Charles location is not known but a later census states that he came to Canada in 1855. His wife was born in Ontario, so it can be assumed that he was not married when he left Scotland. John's obit says he came at 20 which would have been 1855. It is therefore assumed that the two eldest sons emigrated from Scotland together.
The parents, John and Charlotte, daughter Alison, and son Charles must have emigrated between the 1861 and 1871 census taking.
John's obituary also states that he went to Muskoka in 1860 (48 years before 1908), however, he wasn't married in the 1861 census and several of the children were born in King Township. It is probable that he went to Muskoka in the mid 1860's.
One wonders if other family members were already in Canada, and Charles and John were drawn initially to where they lived. John Sr.'s older brother, James ,was born in 1811. There are many James in the 1871 census for Ontario. Below are those that were born in Scotland and Presbyterian. I've also included some who might be sons of a James.
1871 Census - all Ontario - James Forsyth who are Pres. and Scotch
FORSYTH , James, Age 40, B. Scotland, Reformed Pres.
Farmer, County Addington, Newburgh Village
FORSYTH , James, age 46, b. Ontario., Can Pres. Farmer
County Huron, Grey Twp.
FORSYTH , James, Age 44 B. Scotland, Can. Pres , Farmer, County Huron, Tuckersmith Twp.
FORSYTH , James, Age 62 B. Scot., Pres. Scotland, Limeburner
County Haldiman, Oneida Twp.
FORSYTH , James, Age 68 B. Scot. Can. Pres. Farmer
County Carleton, Gloucester Twp.
FORSYTH , James , Age 60 B. Scot. Can. Pres. Farmer
County Wentworth, Ancaster Twp.
FORSYTH , James, Age 45, B. Ontario Wes. Methodist,
Ethnic Origin German, Farmer, County Wentworth, Ancaster Twp. (included to establish that there were Forsyths in Ancaster not related to our Robert)
There is no Thomas Forsyth born about 1818 or a Robert born about 1808 who might be brothers of John Forsyth, Sr.
Cockburns and Mortons - 2
**Below is S.L. Bowyer's search of LDS Records in 1980's
Deaths and Burials from Session Record of Dirleton 1830-1851
Feb 20, 1831 Mortcloth to Margaret Morton (cost).....00.10.06
Dec 08, 1833 Mortcloth to Thomas Cockburn..............00.10.06
Feb 05, 1837 Mortcloth to John Cockburn...................00.08.00
Feb 05, 1837 Mortcloth to AlisonMorton...........00.08.00
Aug 19, 1838 Mortcloth to Charles Cockburn...00.05.00
Dec 08, 1839 Coffin & Expenses for R. Cockburn.........01.00.06
May 15, 1842 Mortcloth -Thos Cockburn Innkeeper...00.02.06
Notes: - Cost expressed in Pounds, Shillings and Pence
-Women normally shown with maiden name or husband's name with Mrs.
Deaths and Burials from Session Record of Dirleton 1830-1851
Feb 20, 1831 Mortcloth to Margaret Morton (cost).....00.10.06
Dec 08, 1833 Mortcloth to Thomas Cockburn..............00.10.06
Feb 05, 1837 Mortcloth to John Cockburn...................00.08.00
Feb 05, 1837 Mortcloth to AlisonMorton...........00.08.00
Aug 19, 1838 Mortcloth to Charles Cockburn...00.05.00
Dec 08, 1839 Coffin & Expenses for R. Cockburn.........01.00.06
May 15, 1842 Mortcloth -Thos Cockburn Innkeeper...00.02.06
Notes: - Cost expressed in Pounds, Shillings and Pence
-Women normally shown with maiden name or husband's name with Mrs.
Cockburns & Mortons - 1
~The following notes were made by Jessie (Forsyth) Peacock some time
before her death in 1965. Transcribed by granddaughter Jeanne.
West Fenton Scotland
The family of Charles Cockburn & Alison Morton
Charles (**Cochrane) Cockburn born Nov. 6 1754
Alison Morton born Feb. 24th 1753
Sheriff ............born June 11th, 1780
Margaret....... born Dec. 1st, 1781
Robert............ born Oct. 10th, 1783
James............. born Sept. 7th, 1785
Charles........... born Sept. 26th, 1786
Andrew.......... born April 14th, 1788
William.......... born March 17th, 1791
Charlotte.....born Mar 11th, 1796
Anna............... born July 12, 1797
**I have placed 'Cochrane' in brackets because I think there was some confusion
over the surname. Cochrane was the married name of Marion Forsyth, sister of
our John Forsyth.
before her death in 1965. Transcribed by granddaughter Jeanne.
West Fenton Scotland
The family of Charles Cockburn & Alison Morton
Charles (**Cochrane) Cockburn born Nov. 6 1754
Alison Morton born Feb. 24th 1753
Sheriff ............born June 11th, 1780
Margaret....... born Dec. 1st, 1781
Robert............ born Oct. 10th, 1783
James............. born Sept. 7th, 1785
Charles........... born Sept. 26th, 1786
Andrew.......... born April 14th, 1788
William.......... born March 17th, 1791
Charlotte.....born Mar 11th, 1796
Anna............... born July 12, 1797
**I have placed 'Cochrane' in brackets because I think there was some confusion
over the surname. Cochrane was the married name of Marion Forsyth, sister of
our John Forsyth.
Comments: The following baptism is in the Dirleton Parish Registers (only Charlotte's was noted):
Charlote Cockburn, daughter of Charles Cockburn, Taylor in West Fenton and Alison Morton was born 11th March baptised the 19th of the same month witnesses - James Cockburn, G. Smith - signed Wm Graham
Charlotte's sister, Anna, married Hugh Goodlet. The Goodlets appear in the previous census posts.
East Lothian formerly Haddingtonshire
Above - Detail of Fenton area, south of Dirleton, East Lothian(from streetmap.co.uk) Click on maps to enlarge.
The above map shows the locations mentioned in the census records with a yellow highlight. A red arrow points to the Fenton area where James and Helen Forsyth moved from Penicuik, Mid-Lothian with five young children about 1814. The three youngest children- Helen, Thomas and Janet, were born in Fenton and baptised in Dirleton.By the time the 1841 census was taken, only John Jr. and his wife Charlotte, were in Dirleton perhaps because John was a farmer and possibly a shepherd. The list below shows the location of all the family members when the 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses were taken:
Name.......................1841.....................1851......................1861.........
James...................Haddington.................deceased...................deceased...........
Helen....................Haddington................Haddington..............deceased...........
Christian.........Nisbet Loanhead.......Nisbet Loanhead......Nisbet Loanhead....
Marion..................Haddington................Haddington...............Haddington......
John..................Fenton, Dirleton.........Landward, Dunbar........Innerwick.......
Robert....................unknown....................unknown....................unknown.........
James...................Edinburgh..................Edinburgh..................unknown.........
Helen...............Nisbet Loanhead...........Gladsmuir..................Gladsmuir.........
Thomas..................unknown..............Kelso, Roxburgh.............unknown.........
Janet................Tyninghame....Sunnybank,Haddington...St.Boswell,Roxburgh
Janet "Jessie" Forsyth, b. 1822
The youngest child of James and Helen was Janet who was born in Dirleton, EL on July 13, 1822.
JANET female, birth 13 Jul 1822 Dirleton, East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) [Microfilm Frame No 753 - from E.Collins
Her father's occupation is shown as 'Shepherd, Dirleton,' and her mother's name is shown as Helen Scott. http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
Family history provides only the note that she was called 'Jessie' and that she married and went to Australia.
In 1841, we find Janet, 20, living a few miles from her parents in Dunbar and working for the Sanderson family as a servant:
1841 Census - Whitekirk-Tyningham-EL
Address: Tynninghame
SANDERSON, George, M, 50, Tailor, b. EL
SANDERSON, Elizabeth, F, 1, b. EL
SANDERSON, Robert, M, 35, Tailor Journeyman, b. EL
DEANS, George, M, 20, Tailor Journeyman, b. EL
BROWN, Alex, M, 15, Tailor Apprentice, b. EL
DEANS, Robert, M, 15, Agricultural Labourer
WHITE, Elizabeth, F, 65, b. EL
YORKSTON Mary F 40 Female Servant, b. EL
FORSYTH, Janet, F, 20, Female Servant, b. EL
In 1851, Janet has not married and gone off to Australia yet. She is still working as a domestic, this time for three Donaldson spinsters with incomes who live close to Haddingtonshire where Janet's sister, Marion Cochrane, lives.
1851 Census Haddington -EL, Address: Sunnybank
DONALDSON, Jane, Head, U, F, 78, Annuitant, b. Haddington
DONALDSON, Jess, Sister, U, F, 73 , Annuitant, b. Haddington
DONALDSON, Catharine, Sister, U, F, 68, Annuitant, b. Haddington
DICKINSON, Helen, Servant, U, F, 28, House Servant, b. Dunbar
FORSYTH, Janet, Servant, U, F, 28 ,House Servant, b. Dirleton
In 1861, Janet is with her nephew in St. Boswell, Roxburgh 42 miles from Edinburgh and west of Kelso where Thomas Forsyth was in 1851. The nephew is the eldest son of her sister, Marian Cochrane of Haddington. His wife is absent in this census but reappears in 1871 census. Janet is keeping house, perhaps just in the wife's absence. Also present is John's younger brother David and he is shown as a visitor. If you click on the title, you will see the website for this inn which is still functioning.
1861 Census - St. Boswell, Roxburghshire Address: Buccleugh Arms Inn
Cochrane, John, 36, B. Haddington, E.L. Innkeeper / Farmer of 20 Ac ,Emp, 1 man
Cochrane, Euphemia, 3, b. St. Boswells Roxburgh
Cochrane, John, 1, b. St. Boswells, Roxburgh
Cochrane, David, 26, b abt 1835, Visitor, Warehouseman
Forsyth, Janet, 40, Aunt, b. Direlton, E.L., Housekeeper
In 1871 John Cochrane has moved to Liberton, Midlothian and is living in the 'Old Farm House' with wife, Margaret. Two more children have been born. They have one domestic. In 1881 they are still in the same town, Liberton, but John is now a 'sanitary inspector'. They have four children between 14 and twenty-three.
JANET female, birth 13 Jul 1822 Dirleton, East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) [Microfilm Frame No 753 - from E.Collins
Her father's occupation is shown as 'Shepherd, Dirleton,' and her mother's name is shown as Helen Scott. http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
Family history provides only the note that she was called 'Jessie' and that she married and went to Australia.
In 1841, we find Janet, 20, living a few miles from her parents in Dunbar and working for the Sanderson family as a servant:
1841 Census - Whitekirk-Tyningham-EL
Address: Tynninghame
SANDERSON, George, M, 50, Tailor, b. EL
SANDERSON, Elizabeth, F, 1, b. EL
SANDERSON, Robert, M, 35, Tailor Journeyman, b. EL
DEANS, George, M, 20, Tailor Journeyman, b. EL
BROWN, Alex, M, 15, Tailor Apprentice, b. EL
DEANS, Robert, M, 15, Agricultural Labourer
WHITE, Elizabeth, F, 65, b. EL
YORKSTON Mary F 40 Female Servant, b. EL
FORSYTH, Janet, F, 20, Female Servant, b. EL
In 1851, Janet has not married and gone off to Australia yet. She is still working as a domestic, this time for three Donaldson spinsters with incomes who live close to Haddingtonshire where Janet's sister, Marion Cochrane, lives.
1851 Census Haddington -EL, Address: Sunnybank
DONALDSON, Jane, Head, U, F, 78, Annuitant, b. Haddington
DONALDSON, Jess, Sister, U, F, 73 , Annuitant, b. Haddington
DONALDSON, Catharine, Sister, U, F, 68, Annuitant, b. Haddington
DICKINSON, Helen, Servant, U, F, 28, House Servant, b. Dunbar
FORSYTH, Janet, Servant, U, F, 28 ,House Servant, b. Dirleton
In 1861, Janet is with her nephew in St. Boswell, Roxburgh 42 miles from Edinburgh and west of Kelso where Thomas Forsyth was in 1851. The nephew is the eldest son of her sister, Marian Cochrane of Haddington. His wife is absent in this census but reappears in 1871 census. Janet is keeping house, perhaps just in the wife's absence. Also present is John's younger brother David and he is shown as a visitor. If you click on the title, you will see the website for this inn which is still functioning.
1861 Census - St. Boswell, Roxburghshire Address: Buccleugh Arms Inn
Cochrane, John, 36, B. Haddington, E.L. Innkeeper / Farmer of 20 Ac ,Emp, 1 man
Cochrane, Euphemia, 3, b. St. Boswells Roxburgh
Cochrane, John, 1, b. St. Boswells, Roxburgh
Cochrane, David, 26, b abt 1835, Visitor, Warehouseman
Forsyth, Janet, 40, Aunt, b. Direlton, E.L., Housekeeper
In 1871 John Cochrane has moved to Liberton, Midlothian and is living in the 'Old Farm House' with wife, Margaret. Two more children have been born. They have one domestic. In 1881 they are still in the same town, Liberton, but John is now a 'sanitary inspector'. They have four children between 14 and twenty-three.
I have been unable to find Janet Forsyth in the 1871 or 1881 census records. Let's hope Janet made the journey to Australia and that her descendants are thriving there.
Robert, James & Thomas Forsyth
This post was revised December 6, 2010 and March 2011 after new information about these men was found in the Penicuik Parish Registers and census records.
Above: Baptism of Robert Forsyth, Pencuik Parish, 1808 - 'Forsyth, James, Farmer of Farleyhope, Parish of Linton and Helen Scott his spouse had a child born the 29th of August 1808 and baptized 28th named ROBERT Witnesses- Robert Scott and Alexander Davidson'
Robert Forsyth, the second son of James and Helen Forsyth, was born the 29th of August probably in Farleyhope, in the Parish of Linton (Peebleshire) south-west of Penicuik. He was baptised the 28th (probably September) in Penicuik, Midlothian. His father, James, was a farmer at the time of the baptism. The Forsyths obviously had a connection to Penicuik to bring their children back there to be baptized while living elsewhere.
Oral history has preserved Robert's occupation as 'baker.' There is a May, 1827 marriage between a Robert Forsyth and a Helen Burnet. Banns are read in both Haddington and Innerwick. The witnesses are a James and a Thomas Forsyth; however, when I follow this couple in the census records, Robert gives his place of birth as Spott, East Lothian and he is an agricultural labourer, not a baker. In addition, his age does not match in the later census records. I have been unable to find any other Robert in the 1841, 1851, and 1861 census records in Scotland who might be the son of James and Helen.
SCT 1851 Place: Canongate -Midlothian, 129 Canongate 1 Panmure Close
FORSYTH, James, Head, 44, Grinder Of Cutlery, b. Midlothian-Lasswade
FORSYTH, Jane Wife M F 45 b. Midlothian - St Cuthberts
FORSYTH, Helen Dau U F 11 Scholar b. Midlothian - St Cuthberts
The birth of Thomas Forsyth, fourth son of James and Helen, has been submitted to the IGI as May 22, 1818.
THOMAS male, birth 22 May 1818 Dirleton, East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) [Microfilm Frame No 659] from Parish Registers (E. Collins)
Oral history provides the information that he was a railway guard on the line between Berwick - Edinburgh. It also gives a date of death as 1846; however, this may have been his date of marriage for it is obvious that he is still alive for the 1851 census.
There is a December 2, 1845 marriage of a Thomas Forsyth and an Ann Cameron of Canongate, Edinburgh on the IGI. The bride was the daughter of John Cameron. The 1851 Census gives our Thomas' wife as born in Edinburgh.
1851 CENSUS Kelso -Roxburghshire Address: Oven Wynd
FORSYTH, Thomas, Head, 31, Railway Guard, EL-Dirleton
FORSYTH, Ann, Wife, F, 26, Midlothian - Edinburgh
FORSYTH, James, Son, M, 4, Scholar, Midlothian – Edinburgh
WHITE, Janet, Servant F, 16, Peeblesshire - Peebles
If you click on the title of this post, you will open a website for a rental of the Oven Wynd housing. This article gives a description of Kelso, and states that it is 25 miles from Berwick, where Thomas would go for his employment.
I haven't found Thomas and Jane in the census records again; however, in 1861, we find two Forsyth boys with their grandmother in St. Cuthbert's, Edinburgh. It would seem that one or both their parents were deceased.
1861 Census - Canning Place (Canning House), St. Cuthbert's, Edinburgh
Anne Cameron, 67, b. Glencode, Argyllshire, Fund Holder
Clementine Rutherford, 47, daughter, coachman's wife
Catherine Cameron, 29, house keeper
Robert Cameron, son, cashier, stationer
James Forsyth, 14, b. Edinburgh, grandson
Thomas Forsyth, 9, b. Kelso, Roxburgh, grandson
Above: Baptism of Robert Forsyth, Pencuik Parish, 1808 - 'Forsyth, James, Farmer of Farleyhope, Parish of Linton and Helen Scott his spouse had a child born the 29th of August 1808 and baptized 28th named ROBERT Witnesses- Robert Scott and Alexander Davidson'Robert Forsyth, the second son of James and Helen Forsyth, was born the 29th of August probably in Farleyhope, in the Parish of Linton (Peebleshire) south-west of Penicuik. He was baptised the 28th (probably September) in Penicuik, Midlothian. His father, James, was a farmer at the time of the baptism. The Forsyths obviously had a connection to Penicuik to bring their children back there to be baptized while living elsewhere.
Oral history has preserved Robert's occupation as 'baker.' There is a May, 1827 marriage between a Robert Forsyth and a Helen Burnet. Banns are read in both Haddington and Innerwick. The witnesses are a James and a Thomas Forsyth; however, when I follow this couple in the census records, Robert gives his place of birth as Spott, East Lothian and he is an agricultural labourer, not a baker. In addition, his age does not match in the later census records. I have been unable to find any other Robert in the 1841, 1851, and 1861 census records in Scotland who might be the son of James and Helen.
Above: Baptism of James Forsyth, Penicuik Parish, 1811 - "Forsyth, James and Helen Scott from the Parish of Lasswade had a child born the 15th of March, 1811 and baptized the 20th /29th (?) named JAMES Witnesses: John Thomson and Walter Forsyth
The baptism of James Forsyth, third son of James and Helen, is recorded in the Penicuik, Midlothian registers as the 20 / 29th of March, 1811. He had been born on March 15th probably in Lasswade, Midlothian were his parents were living at the time of his baptism.
James Forsyth's marriage to Jane Fraser, daughter of William, was declared at St Cuthbert's in Edinburgh August 29, 1835 and January 11, 1836. Their first child, Sarah, was born in Linlithgow, West Lothian on April 2nd, 1837 and their second daughter, Helen, was born September 8, 1839 in St. Cuthbert's.
In the 1841 census they are in Edinburgh with just their daughter, Helen, and James' occupation is Maltster Journeyman. The 1851 census confirms that this James is the son of James and Helen Forsyth in that he reports his birthplace as Lasswade:
In the 1841 census they are in Edinburgh with just their daughter, Helen, and James' occupation is Maltster Journeyman. The 1851 census confirms that this James is the son of James and Helen Forsyth in that he reports his birthplace as Lasswade:
SCT 1851 Place: Canongate -Midlothian, 129 Canongate 1 Panmure Close
FORSYTH, James, Head, 44, Grinder Of Cutlery, b. Midlothian-Lasswade
FORSYTH, Jane Wife M F 45 b. Midlothian - St Cuthberts
FORSYTH, Helen Dau U F 11 Scholar b. Midlothian - St Cuthberts
The birth of Thomas Forsyth, fourth son of James and Helen, has been submitted to the IGI as May 22, 1818.
THOMAS male, birth 22 May 1818 Dirleton, East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) [Microfilm Frame No 659] from Parish Registers (E. Collins)
Oral history provides the information that he was a railway guard on the line between Berwick - Edinburgh. It also gives a date of death as 1846; however, this may have been his date of marriage for it is obvious that he is still alive for the 1851 census.
There is a December 2, 1845 marriage of a Thomas Forsyth and an Ann Cameron of Canongate, Edinburgh on the IGI. The bride was the daughter of John Cameron. The 1851 Census gives our Thomas' wife as born in Edinburgh.
1851 CENSUS Kelso -Roxburghshire Address: Oven Wynd
FORSYTH, Thomas, Head, 31, Railway Guard, EL-Dirleton
FORSYTH, Ann, Wife, F, 26, Midlothian - Edinburgh
FORSYTH, James, Son, M, 4, Scholar, Midlothian – Edinburgh
WHITE, Janet, Servant F, 16, Peeblesshire - Peebles
If you click on the title of this post, you will open a website for a rental of the Oven Wynd housing. This article gives a description of Kelso, and states that it is 25 miles from Berwick, where Thomas would go for his employment.
I haven't found Thomas and Jane in the census records again; however, in 1861, we find two Forsyth boys with their grandmother in St. Cuthbert's, Edinburgh. It would seem that one or both their parents were deceased.
1861 Census - Canning Place (Canning House), St. Cuthbert's, Edinburgh
Anne Cameron, 67, b. Glencode, Argyllshire, Fund Holder
Clementine Rutherford, 47, daughter, coachman's wife
Catherine Cameron, 29, house keeper
Robert Cameron, son, cashier, stationer
James Forsyth, 14, b. Edinburgh, grandson
Thomas Forsyth, 9, b. Kelso, Roxburgh, grandson
Saturday, May 2, 2009
Helen Forsyth Wallace, 1841, 51, 61
1871 and 1881 census records added March/11
1841 Census - Pencaitland, East Lothian
Address - Nisbet Loanhead
EWART, Francies, age 40, Black Smith, b. East Lothian
EWART, Christain, age 35, b. Outside County
EWART, William, age 15, Black Smith Appren., b. E. Lothian
EWART, James, age 13, b. East Lothian
EWART, Not yet named, Female, age 1 wk, b. East Lothian
FORSYTH, Helen, age 20, Servant, b. East Lothian
Helen Forsyth and Peter Wallace were married on the
26th of June in 1846 in Aberlady, East Lothian
(south west of Direlton)
1851 Census Gladsmuir -East Lothian
Address - Henmuir
WALLESS, Petter, Head, age 36, Farm Labourer, E. L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, Hellen,Wife, age 36, b. E. L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, Thomas, Son, age 9, Scholar, E. L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, James, Son, age 7, Scholar, E. L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, Petter, Son, age 5, b. E.L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, Hellen, Dau, age 3, b. E.L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, Marryann, Dau, age 3 mo., b. E. L.-Gladsmuir
1861 Census Gladsmuir-East Lothian
Address - Henmuir
WALLACE, Peter, Head, age 47, Gen. Labourer,
b. E. L.-Dirleton
WALLACE, Helen, b. 46, Wife, b. E. L.-Dirleton
WALLACE, Thomas, Son, age 18, Coal Miner,
b. E.L.-Haddington
WALLACE, James, Son, age 17, Store Keeper,
b. E. L.-Haddington
WALLACE, Peter, Son, age 15, Farm Servant,
b. E. L.-Haddington
WALLACE, Helen, Dau, age 12, Scholar, b. E. L.-Gladsmuir
WALLACE, Mary A., Dau, age 10, Scholar, b. E. L.-Gladsmuir
WALLACE, Christina, Dau, age 8, Scholar, b. E. L.-Gladsmuir
WALLACE, William, age 3, Gen Lab's Son, b. E.L.-Gladsmuir
1871 Census - New Winton, Pencaitland, East Lothian
(New Winton is west of Gladsmuir)
Helen Walace, 56, b. Dirleton, formerly dairy maid
Thomas Walace, 28, b. Gladsmuir, coalminer
Margret Walace, 21, b. Gladsmuir, general servant, domestic
William Walace, 13, b. Gladsmuir, coal miner
1881 Census - Wilson's Land, Old Monkland, Western District,
Lanarkshire (just east of Glasgow)
Helen Wallace, 66, b. Direlton
Mary Ann Wallace, 30 dau, b. Gladsmuir
Thomas Wallace, 38, coal miner
Agnes Y. Wallace, 5, b, Coatbridge, Lanarkshire
Peter Wallace, 2, b. Baillieston, Lanarkshire
Isabella Shanks (no more information)
* The children's father is Thomas
1841 Census - Pencaitland, East Lothian
Address - Nisbet Loanhead
EWART, Francies, age 40, Black Smith, b. East Lothian
EWART, Christain, age 35, b. Outside County
EWART, William, age 15, Black Smith Appren., b. E. Lothian
EWART, James, age 13, b. East Lothian
EWART, Not yet named, Female, age 1 wk, b. East Lothian
FORSYTH, Helen, age 20, Servant, b. East Lothian
Helen Forsyth and Peter Wallace were married on the
26th of June in 1846 in Aberlady, East Lothian
(south west of Direlton)
1851 Census Gladsmuir -East Lothian
Address - Henmuir
WALLESS, Petter, Head, age 36, Farm Labourer, E. L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, Hellen,Wife, age 36, b. E. L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, Thomas, Son, age 9, Scholar, E. L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, James, Son, age 7, Scholar, E. L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, Petter, Son, age 5, b. E.L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, Hellen, Dau, age 3, b. E.L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, Marryann, Dau, age 3 mo., b. E. L.-Gladsmuir
1861 Census Gladsmuir-East Lothian
Address - Henmuir
WALLACE, Peter, Head, age 47, Gen. Labourer,
b. E. L.-Dirleton
WALLACE, Helen, b. 46, Wife, b. E. L.-Dirleton
WALLACE, Thomas, Son, age 18, Coal Miner,
b. E.L.-Haddington
WALLACE, James, Son, age 17, Store Keeper,
b. E. L.-Haddington
WALLACE, Peter, Son, age 15, Farm Servant,
b. E. L.-Haddington
WALLACE, Helen, Dau, age 12, Scholar, b. E. L.-Gladsmuir
WALLACE, Mary A., Dau, age 10, Scholar, b. E. L.-Gladsmuir
WALLACE, Christina, Dau, age 8, Scholar, b. E. L.-Gladsmuir
WALLACE, William, age 3, Gen Lab's Son, b. E.L.-Gladsmuir
1871 Census - New Winton, Pencaitland, East Lothian
(New Winton is west of Gladsmuir)
Helen Walace, 56, b. Dirleton, formerly dairy maid
Thomas Walace, 28, b. Gladsmuir, coalminer
Margret Walace, 21, b. Gladsmuir, general servant, domestic
William Walace, 13, b. Gladsmuir, coal miner
1881 Census - Wilson's Land, Old Monkland, Western District,
Lanarkshire (just east of Glasgow)
Helen Wallace, 66, b. Direlton
Mary Ann Wallace, 30 dau, b. Gladsmuir
Thomas Wallace, 38, coal miner
Agnes Y. Wallace, 5, b, Coatbridge, Lanarkshire
Peter Wallace, 2, b. Baillieston, Lanarkshire
Isabella Shanks (no more information)
* The children's father is Thomas
John Forsyth -1841, 51, 61
1841 Census - Dirleton, East Lothian
Address: Fenton
FARTHISITH, John, age 35, Ag Lab, born Outside Co.
FARTHISITH, Charlot, age 40, b. East Lothian
FARTHISITH, Alison, age 10, b. East Lothian
FARTHISITH, Charles, age 8, b.East Lothian
FARTHISITH, John, age 6, b. East Lothian
FARTHISITH, Robert, age 3, b. East Lothian
MANABE, Hugh, age 15, Servant, b. East Lothian
FRASHER, Mary, age 37, Servant, b. Outside Co.
1851 Census Dunbar, East Lothian, Dunbar Landward,
Dunbar Upper Post Rd,
Address: Eweford Cottages
FORSYTH, John, Head, age 45, Ag Lab, b. M.L.-Pennycuick
FORSYTH, Charlotte, Wife, age 55, b. E.L.-Dirleton
FORSYTH, Alison, Dau, U, F, 19, Farm Lab, b. E.L.-Dirleton
FORSYTH, John, Son, age 15, Farm Lab, b. E.L.-Dirleton
FORSYTH, Robert, Son, age 13, Scholar, b. E.L.-Dirleton
BROWN, Charles, Boarder, age 11, Scholar, b. E.L.-Dirleton
1851 Census Dirleton -East Lothian
Village: Unk,
Address: 32 Cotters House
GOODLET, Hugh, Head, 52, Cart/Millwright, b. E.L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Ann, Wife, 53, E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Hugh, Son, 22, Blacksmith, b. E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Charles, Son, 21, Millwright, b. E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, William, Son, 19, Millwright, b.E. L.-Prestonkirk
GOODLET, Alison, Dau, 18, House Servant, E. L.-Prestonkirk
GOODLET, James, Son, 16, Wright Apprentice, E.L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Andrew, Son, 14, Wright Apprentice, E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, John, Son, 9, Scholar, E. L.-Atholstaneford
FORSYTH, Charles, Lodger, 17, Wright Apprentice, b. E. L.-Dirleton
Found this photo on the internet. The Forsyths might have lived in this complex (or something similar) when they lived at Crowhill / Crawhill.
Address: Fenton
FARTHISITH, John, age 35, Ag Lab, born Outside Co.
FARTHISITH, Charlot, age 40, b. East Lothian
FARTHISITH, Alison, age 10, b. East Lothian
FARTHISITH, Charles, age 8, b.East Lothian
FARTHISITH, John, age 6, b. East Lothian
FARTHISITH, Robert, age 3, b. East Lothian
MANABE, Hugh, age 15, Servant, b. East Lothian
FRASHER, Mary, age 37, Servant, b. Outside Co.
1851 Census Dunbar, East Lothian, Dunbar Landward,
Dunbar Upper Post Rd,
Address: Eweford Cottages
FORSYTH, John, Head, age 45, Ag Lab, b. M.L.-Pennycuick
FORSYTH, Charlotte, Wife, age 55, b. E.L.-Dirleton
FORSYTH, Alison, Dau, U, F, 19, Farm Lab, b. E.L.-Dirleton
FORSYTH, John, Son, age 15, Farm Lab, b. E.L.-Dirleton
FORSYTH, Robert, Son, age 13, Scholar, b. E.L.-Dirleton
BROWN, Charles, Boarder, age 11, Scholar, b. E.L.-Dirleton
1851 Census Dirleton -East Lothian
Village: Unk,
Address: 32 Cotters House
GOODLET, Hugh, Head, 52, Cart/Millwright, b. E.L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Ann, Wife, 53, E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Hugh, Son, 22, Blacksmith, b. E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Charles, Son, 21, Millwright, b. E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, William, Son, 19, Millwright, b.E. L.-Prestonkirk
GOODLET, Alison, Dau, 18, House Servant, E. L.-Prestonkirk
GOODLET, James, Son, 16, Wright Apprentice, E.L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Andrew, Son, 14, Wright Apprentice, E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, John, Son, 9, Scholar, E. L.-Atholstaneford
FORSYTH, Charles, Lodger, 17, Wright Apprentice, b. E. L.-Dirleton
Found this photo on the internet. The Forsyths might have lived in this complex (or something similar) when they lived at Crowhill / Crawhill.
1861 Census Innerwick -East Lothian
Address: Crawhill (Probably Crowhill)
FORSYTH, John, Head, age 56, Shepherd, b. M. L.-Penicuik
FORSYTH, Charlote, Wife, age 64, b. E. L.-Dirleton
FORSYTH, Robert, Son, age 23, Tailor Journeyman, b. E.L.-Dirleton
1861 Census Dirleton -East Lothian
Address: Wright Shop
GOODLET, Hugh, 62, Wright Master, b. E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Ann, Wife, 63, b. E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Andrew, Son, 24, Wright with father, b. E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, John, Son, 20, Wright with father, b. E. L.-Athelstaneford
FORSYTH, Alison, Unm, Visitr, 29, Dressmaker,
b. E. L.-Dirleton
Address: Crawhill (Probably Crowhill)
FORSYTH, John, Head, age 56, Shepherd, b. M. L.-Penicuik
FORSYTH, Charlote, Wife, age 64, b. E. L.-Dirleton
FORSYTH, Robert, Son, age 23, Tailor Journeyman, b. E.L.-Dirleton
1861 Census Dirleton -East Lothian
Address: Wright Shop
GOODLET, Hugh, 62, Wright Master, b. E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Ann, Wife, 63, b. E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Andrew, Son, 24, Wright with father, b. E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, John, Son, 20, Wright with father, b. E. L.-Athelstaneford
FORSYTH, Alison, Unm, Visitr, 29, Dressmaker,
b. E. L.-Dirleton
Sunday, April 26, 2009
Christian Forsyth Hewat, 1841, 51,61
Nisbet Loanhead is on the road between Pencaitland and
Haddington both in East Lothian
1841 Census - Pencaitland, East Lothian
Village - Nisbet Loanhead
EWART, Francies, age 40, Black Smith, b. East Lothian
EWART, Christain, age 35, b. Outside County
EWART, William, age 15, Black Smith Appren., b. E. Lothian
EWART, James, age 13, b. East Lothian
EWART, Not yet named, Female, age 1 wk, b. East Lothian
FORSYTH, Helen, age 20, Servant, b. East Lothian
1851 Census - Pencaitland -East Lothian
Village - Loanhead
HEWAT, Francis, Head, age 52, Blacksmith, E.L.-Morham
HEWAT, Christian, Wife, age 49, b. M.L.-Pennycuik
HEWAT, Helen, Dau, age 9, Scholar, b. E.L.-Pencaitland
1861 Census, Pencaitland -East Lothian
Village- Nisbit Loanhead
HEWAT, Francis, age 62, Blacksmith (Emp 1 man), b. Morham
HEWAT, Christian, Wife, age 59, b. M.L, -Penicuik
HEWAT, James, Son, age 31, Bl Sm Journeyman, b. Morham
HEWAT, Hellen, Dau, age 19, Dressmaker, b. E. L. -Pencaitland
Pencaitland Churchyard Memorial Inscriptions
HEWAT - FORSYTH - BURNET
In memory of FRANCIS HEWAT, Blacksmith, Nisbet Loanhead,
who died May 20 1868 aged 69 years.
Also CHRISTIAN FORSYTH his wife
who died April 21 1881 aged 80 years.
Their son JAMES HEWAT died at Inglesfield 20th Jan 1903 aged 74 years. JANET BURNET wife of JAMES HEWAT died April 3rd 1904 aged 71 years."
Pencaitland Churchyard Memorial Inscriptions
Haddington both in East Lothian
1841 Census - Pencaitland, East Lothian
Village - Nisbet Loanhead
EWART, Francies, age 40, Black Smith, b. East Lothian
EWART, Christain, age 35, b. Outside County
EWART, William, age 15, Black Smith Appren., b. E. Lothian
EWART, James, age 13, b. East Lothian
EWART, Not yet named, Female, age 1 wk, b. East Lothian
FORSYTH, Helen, age 20, Servant, b. East Lothian
1851 Census - Pencaitland -East Lothian
Village - Loanhead
HEWAT, Francis, Head, age 52, Blacksmith, E.L.-Morham
HEWAT, Christian, Wife, age 49, b. M.L.-Pennycuik
HEWAT, Helen, Dau, age 9, Scholar, b. E.L.-Pencaitland
1861 Census, Pencaitland -East Lothian
Village- Nisbit Loanhead
HEWAT, Francis, age 62, Blacksmith (Emp 1 man), b. Morham
HEWAT, Christian, Wife, age 59, b. M.L, -Penicuik
HEWAT, James, Son, age 31, Bl Sm Journeyman, b. Morham
HEWAT, Hellen, Dau, age 19, Dressmaker, b. E. L. -Pencaitland
Pencaitland Churchyard Memorial Inscriptions
HEWAT - FORSYTH - BURNET
In memory of FRANCIS HEWAT, Blacksmith, Nisbet Loanhead,
who died May 20 1868 aged 69 years.
Also CHRISTIAN FORSYTH his wife
who died April 21 1881 aged 80 years.
Their son JAMES HEWAT died at Inglesfield 20th Jan 1903 aged 74 years. JANET BURNET wife of JAMES HEWAT died April 3rd 1904 aged 71 years."
Pencaitland Churchyard Memorial Inscriptions
The Lothians
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Monday, April 20, 2009
Short Memories
In November, I posted some information from a letter written by Robert Forsyth which I obtained through my Grandmother. It lists the siblings of my Grandmother's father, John Forsyth, and the siblings of her Grandfather, John Forsyth; both of these men and their spouses are buried at the Falkenburg Union Cemetery.
I had assumed that Grandma's aunts and uncles did not immigrate to Canada when her father came in the 1860's. I had this impression because John Forsyth Jr.'s obituary states that he came to Canada with his parents, with no mention of the other siblings.
The letter from Robert contains the names and dates of death of her father's brothers and sister. What it does not contain are the names of their spouses or where they lived. This seems very odd to me because my Grandmother's aunt, Alison McNee, lived very close by and the aunt died when Jessie was about twenty years old. There is no mention that the brothers, Charles and Robert, lived in Ontario. I never heard my mother mention these people, although she did mention Grandma's sisters who lived in the Toronto area.
I can only assume that the focus of my Grandmother's notes was the lineage of her own family and not the various branches.
I was at the library yesterday and confirmed the whereabouts of the siblings of John Forsyth Jr. and found death certificates to confirm their parentage.
I had assumed that Grandma's aunts and uncles did not immigrate to Canada when her father came in the 1860's. I had this impression because John Forsyth Jr.'s obituary states that he came to Canada with his parents, with no mention of the other siblings.
The letter from Robert contains the names and dates of death of her father's brothers and sister. What it does not contain are the names of their spouses or where they lived. This seems very odd to me because my Grandmother's aunt, Alison McNee, lived very close by and the aunt died when Jessie was about twenty years old. There is no mention that the brothers, Charles and Robert, lived in Ontario. I never heard my mother mention these people, although she did mention Grandma's sisters who lived in the Toronto area.
I can only assume that the focus of my Grandmother's notes was the lineage of her own family and not the various branches.
I was at the library yesterday and confirmed the whereabouts of the siblings of John Forsyth Jr. and found death certificates to confirm their parentage.
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