Mary Dales, Mrs. John Forsyth - 1840-1935

Mary Dales Forsyth's daughters celebrate one of her birthdays in later years when she lived in New Liskeard with her daughter. Front row: William James, 'Lib' Forsyth James, Mary Dales Forsyth -Back right: Jessie Forsyth Peacock. More work needs to be done on this photo to indentify the other daughters of Mary Dales Forsyth.

Mary Dales was born in King Township (Kettleby area) September 22, 1840.

She died in 1935.

Robert Forsyth, Tailor 1837-1912

Click on title for map of Wentworth County, Ontario including
townships of Ancaster and Beverley.

Robert Forsyth was the youngest child of John Forsyth and Charlotte Cockburn and was born December 16th, 1837 in West Fenton. His birth is registered in the records of the Dirleton Parish Church. Both these places are east of Edinburgh and in East Lothian, Scotland.

Robert's birth / baptism record was either lost or he was never baptised, as on August 13, 1854 when he was 17, a note was made in the Parish records that Hugh Goodlet (the husband of Robert's mother), appeared before the Kirk Session of Dirleton and made an affidavit that Robert was born in Dirleton. He used the entries taken from his and John Forsyth's family Bible as proof. Why this was done at this time is unclear; however, in the 1861 census, Robert is the only child still with his parents in Innerwick at age 23 and is a 'tailor journeyman.' Perhaps it was related to the apprenticeship system. The other possibility is that he planned to emigrate from Scotland and required a record of his birth for this purpose. His two brothers went to Canada in the mid 1850's; perhaps it had been his plan as well.

Robert immigrated to Canada in 1863. This information comes from the 1901 census. On the 18th of November, 1866, he married Jane Varner (sometimes shown as Jennie) in Wentworth County. The record provides the following details:

Robert Forsyth, 28, b. Scotland village, residence - Ancaster Township, son of Jonathon (?) Forsyth and Charlotte, married
Jane Varner, 24, b. England, daughter of Samuel and Catherine Varner.

Jane's place of birth is given as Ireland in census records. A Catherine Varner, age 58, born in Ireland appears in the Dundas, Wentworth County census for 1871. Her occupation is 'tailoress'. This would seem to be Jane's mother. There is no Samuel Varner, but there are other Irish Varners in the Stratford area.

It is not known why Robert Forsyth went to the Hamilton area. His elder brothers, Charles and John had already emigrated by the time the 1861 Scottish census was taken. John was in King Township, north of Toronto in 1861. Charles location has not yet been found before 1871 when he was in York. It is not known where Robert spent the three years between his immigration and his marriage in 1866. John and Mary Dales (with parents and sister Alison) went to Muskoka in 1865. Perhaps Robert was not interested in living in the wilderness of Muskoka and his trade was better suited to a larger centre of population.

The 1871 Census only provides the name of the head of the household:

FORSYTH, Robert, 32, b. Scotland, Wentworth South, Ancaster

The 1881 Census for Ancaster, Wentworth South is as follows:

Robert FORSYTH, M, Scottish, 43, b. Scotland, Tailor, Presb.
Jane FORSYTH.......... F,......Irish, 37, b. Ireland.............Presb.
Kate FORSYTH.......... F, Scottish, 14, b. Ontario..............Presb.
Charlotte FORSYTH...F, Scottish... 7, b. Ontario..............Presb.

In 1889, Kate married Robert H. Pettigrew. He was an advertising agent and they lived in Hamilton. They had five children; the youngest child, Charles, was born in January, 1904. By 1911, Kate was widowed.

By the 1891 Census Robert Forsythe and family had moved to Beverly Township and they were living between Postmaster Haws and a shoemaker named John Montgomery. Robert is 48, Jane 46, their younger daughter daughter, 'Lottie,' is now 17.

In the 1901 Census, they are in Dundas, Wentworth South:

Forseth , Robert, M, Head, M...............b. Aug 11, 1844, 62
Forseth, Jane, F, Wife, M...........................b. Aug 16, 1844, 57
Forseth C. F., F, Daughter, S,.....................b. May 28, 1875, 26

Jane Forsyth died June 1, 1901 at age 54 (?). Her address was given as King Street, Dundas. She was born in Ireland, and was Presbyterian. Jane died of cancer.

In this census we learn that Robert came to Canada in 1863 and Jane came in 1844. Robert is still working as a tailor and their daughter is shown as the bookkeeper.

On December 24, 1907, Charlotte married Walter C.B. Donkin, a teacher. They were married in Lincoln County and in the 1911 census, they are living in Brantford.

I have been unable to find Robert in the 1911 Census record; however, he died in Hamilton in 1912. He was 74 years old.

1912, May 28 - Robert Forsyth, Tailor, 170 King St W., Hamilton
b. Scotland, son of John Forsyth & Charlotte Cockburn
City Hospital, Hamilton, 5 days - Heart Disease - Dr. A.S. Langrill Certified by Mrs. W.B. Donkin, 195 St. Paul Ave, Brantford

The Daughters of Robert:

1901 Census - Hamilton, Ontario
Pettigrew, H. R, Head, Dec 17, 1860, 40, Advertising Agent
Pettigrew, A. Kate, Wife, Aug 25, 1867, 33
Pettigrew, V. Alison, Daughter, May 30, 1890, 10
Pettigrew, V. Anna, Daughter, May 17, 1893, 7
Pettigrew, J. Alba, Daughter, Feb 1, 1896, 5

1911 Census - Hamilton, Ontario
Pettigrew, Kate A., Head, W, Aug, 1868, 42
Pettigrew, Viola, Daughter, May, 1893, 18
Pettigrew, Alba, Daughter, Feb, 1896, 15
Pettigrew, Howard, Son, Jul, 1901, 9
Pettigrew, Charles, Son, Jan, 1904

1901 Census - Brantford, Ontario
Donkin Sarah, Head, W, Aug 12, 1848, 52
Donkin, Walter, M, Son, S, Jun 7, 1868, 32

1911 Census - Brantford
Donkin, W. B., M, Head, Jun, 1870, 40
Donkin, L., F, Wife, May, 1880, 31

John Forsyth , 1835-1908

Monument inscription - Falkenburg Union Cemetery, Mukoka

JOHN FORSYTH died July 2, 1908, age 73 years
His Beloved Wife
MARY DALES, born Sept 22, 1840, Died June 27, 1935

Death of John Forsyth - From the Gravenhurst Herald, 1908

Resident of Muskoka for Half Century: Passes away at home in Macaulay

Mr. John Forsyth, Senior, one of the ealiest residents of the district and one who was thoroughly acquainted with the disadvantages and hardships of opening up a new territory passed away Thursday nite of last week. He had been ailing for a couple of years and two weeks ago, became much worse, the cause of death being attributed to valvular disease of the heart. He suffered little pain and during his illness was always cheerful and uncomplaining.

The deceased leaves a widow and ten children. Two children, Charlotte who died about twenty years ago and a son George, whose death took place two years ago last Christmas, having predeceased him.

The daughters are Mrs Arthur(sic) Crandall, Toronto; Mrs. Robert Montgomery, Parry Sound; Mrs. Harry Mortimer, Mortimer's Point; Mrs. William James, and Mrs. George Peacock and Mrs. Thomas Peacock of Falkenburg.

The sons are William of Huntsville, John and James of Utterson, and Robert of Port Sydney. All the members of the family were present at the funeral which took place last Saturday in Falkenburg Cemetery.

Mr. Forsyth was born in Edinburgh, Scotland and came to Canada with his parents when he was about twenty years old, living for a time in King (County) Township. There he was married a few years later to Miss Mary Dales whose home was near the town of Newmarket.

Forty-eight years ago he came to Muskoka and found this section of wilderness, there being but one house in what is now the town of Bracebridge. For a couple of years he lived there, being chiefly engaged in cutting roads. He located two lots in Macaulay, since named, and cut a good road from them to Bracebridge, and there he made a home and lived the remainder of his life.

Though always taking a deep concern in the welfare of his neighbours, Mr. Forsyth could not be induced to enter municipal politics but lived a quiet life.
He was well-known throughout the district and highly esteemed.

He was a member of the Presbyterian Churchand when in health, was a regular attendant. In politics, he was independant, chosing the man rather than the party.

The sympathy of many friends is extended to the bereaved relatives.

Charles Forsyth, Millwright, 1833-1923

1861 Census - York County, Township of York, Enum. Dist #5
1 story house / 1 family
#24 - Charles Forsyth, b. Scotland, 27, Farmer
#25 - Margaret Forsyth, birth place not given, 25


1871 Census - York West

FORESITH,Charles, 38, b. Scotland

This census only gives head of family, however Charles and
Margaret would have had five children in 1871.

1881 Census - West York, Ontario Film C-13249
Charles FORSYTH, 47, b. Scotland, Millwright, C. Methodist
Margaret FORSYTH, Scottish, 46, b. Ontario,C. Methodist
William Robert FORSYTH, Male, 20, b. Ontario, Millwright
John Knox FORSYTH, Male, 18, b. Ontario
Margaret Scott FORSYTH, Female, 15, b. Ontario
Isabella Alliston FORSYTH, Female, b. 13, b.Ontario
Annie Elizabeth FORSYTH, Female, 11, Ontario
Charles Cockburn FORSYTH, Male, 8, b. Ontario
James Piritte FORSYTH, Male, 6, b. Ontario
Mabel FORSYTH, Female, b. 3, Ontario

1891 Census - St. Patrick's Ward, Toronto West, Ontario
Forsyth, Charles, 57, b. Scotland, parents b. Scotland, Millwright
Forsyth, Margaret, 56, b. Ontario, parents b. Ontario
Forsyth, Maggie, 25, b. Ontario, Music Teacher
Forsyth, Annie, 21, b. Ontario, Dressmaking
Forsyth, Charles, 18, b. Ontario, carpenter
Forsyth, James, 16, b. Ontario
Forsyth, Mable, 14, b. Ontario

1896, April, 9 - Toronto
Marriage of Charles Cockburn Forsyth and Annie Elizabeth Nixon

1901 Census - Weston Village, York County, Ontario
Forsyth, Charles, Head, b. Apr 14, 1833, 68
Forsyth Margaret, F., Wife, Feb 12, 1835, 66
Forsyth Margaret, Daughter, Jul 25, 1865, 35
Forsyth, E. Ann, Daughter, Jan 27, 1870, 31
Forsyth, P. James, Son, Jan 19, 1875, 26
Forsyth, Mable, Daughter, May 12, 1877, 23
Forsyth, L., Charles, Grandson, Feb 5, 1897, 4

1911 Census - Weston, York Centre, Ontario
Forsyth, Charles, Head, b. Apr, 1833, 78
Forsyth, Margaret, Wife, b. Feb, 1835, 76
Forsyth, Margaret, Daughter, b. Jul, 1866, 45
Forsyth, Annie, Daughter, b. Jan, 1870, 41
Forsyth, Mabel, Daughter, b. May, 1877, 34
Forsyth, Cliferd, Grandson, b. Mar, 1893, 18

Note: States that Charles came to Canada in 1855. Margaret was
born Ontario so he must have been single when he came to Canada

Death of Margaret Forsythe, Main Street, Weston, Ontario
Female, 85 years old, housewife,
Cause of death: Apoplexy (stroke)
April 17, 1920 Burial: Riverside Cemetery, April 19, 1920
Informant: W. J. Ward, no relation.

Death of Charles Forsythe, Main Street, Weston, Ontario
Male, 91 years old, widowed, b. Scotland
Dr. W.J. Charlton, Weston - Informant: John Forsythe, son
Burial: Riverside Cemetery, by W.J. Ward, Weston
June 13, 1923 - Attended by doctor May 1 - June 13
Cause: heart disease/cardiac
Contributing factors - kidney failure

Alison Forsyth McNee 1830-1905

The 1878 Atlas of Muskoka District shows James McNee as the original land owner (probably by grant) on Lot 6 of Concession XIII, Macaulay Township. A current map of Muskoka showing the old lots and concessions indicates that this land is still accessible. On June 24th, 2009 my brother, Gary and I turned right off District Road #4 just north of the Falkenburg Union Cemetery onto Moore Road and then turned left onto the Little Road. There are very few houses on this road, and it is rough going, but the power lines run along it, so it is likely maintained by the district. We drove about two miles, and if the modern map is correct, came to the old McNee property on the left and the Clark land on the right at the end of the part which is accessible by car. The flies were too overwhelming to walk into the old McNee property but there was a road in. We could not see if there was a structure. On the right side of the road, old fence posts were visible. This would be a nice walk for another day.

Barb found the following on the internet:
"I'm Mark Lewis and I ran across your comments enumerating Forsyth
descendants on an internet search. John and Charlet Cockburn Forsyth's
dau. Allison, b. 1831 married James McNee in 1865. Their dau. Helen
(Ellen) Bowie McNee married my g grandfather John Clarke, (son of Rev.
John Clarke of West Favell, Northhamptonshire,Eng.) and moved to
central Mich. in the 1880s. The Clarke Centennial farm is still
producing. John and Helen's dau. Emma Clarke married my grandpa Fred
Lewis. Our fourth daughter who is now 3 is named Emma after her. The
Clarkes and the Forsyths and McNees converged at Muskoka in the 1870s."

Below are the records found to date for Alison Forsyth, Mrs. James McNee.

1871 Census - Head of Family - Macaulay Twnsp
James McKee, 38, b. Scotland, Presbyterian, Farmer

1881 Census - Macaulay Twnsp, Muskoka - Ontario

James MCKEE................... 49, ....b. Scotland, Farmer
Else MCKEE...................... 49, ....b. Scotland
Ellen MCKEE.................... 14, .....b. Ontario
John MCKEE..................... 12,.... b. Ontario
James MCKEE................... 11..... b. Ontario
Charlott MCKEE................. 8..... b. Ontario

All family members shown as Presbyterian and Scottish descent.

Order of enumeration - Shaffer, Lougheed, Forsyth (John Sr),
McNee, Forsyth (John Jr), Clark John & Jane, Galtey/Gathey

1891 Census - Macaulay Township

James McNee................................. 59, Presbyterian
Alison McNee..................................59
John McNee....................................23, b. Scotland (?)
James McNee..................................21, b. Ontario
Charlotte McNee.............................18, b. Ontario
Susan Rickett, 22

1901 Census - Macaulay Township

McNee, James, Head, Jan 28, 1832, 69
McNee, Else, Wife, Apr 3, 1831, 70
McNee, John, Son, Mar 5, 1868, 33
McNee, Charlotte, Dau, Jan 15, 1873, 28

This census states that Alison came to Canada in 1856.
The same date is given for her husband. Perhaps this is
the date for the McNees, for Alison appears in the 1861 census
in Scotland.

Neighbours in 1901 are John and Eliza Schafer, Robert (nephew) and Sarah
Forsyth, John (brother) and Mary Forsyth, widow Elizabeth Emery,
the McNees and then James and Amelia Bell

1911 Census Macaulay Township

McNee James, Head, W, Jan, 1832, 79
McNee, John, Son, Mar, 1868, 43
McNee, Charlotte, Dau, Jan, 1873, 38

Except for the Schafers and Robert Forsyth, all the neighbours are new in this census.

BIRTHS

1871, Jan 21, James Duncan McNee, Muskoka, Mother- Ellison Forsyth,
Father -James McNee

1873, Jan 15, Charlotte Robina Cockburn McNee, Father - James McNee

MARRIAGES

1887, March 28, Bracebridge
Ellen McNee, b. Macaulay, 1866, dau of Alison Forsyth and James McNee
= John Clark, b. England, son of John and Jane Clark

1916, June 14
Charlotte McNee , 41, b. Macaulay, dau of James McNee & Alison Forsyth
= William Joseph Hamilton, 35, b. Raymond, Watt Twp, son of Edward Hamilton and Sarah Taylor

DEATHS

1901, March 19, James McNee, 31 years old, Lot 6 Concession 13, Macaulay
Farmer's son, single, Tuberculosis

1905, May 22 -Alice McNee, 74 years old, Lot 6 Concession 10, Macaulay, Housewife, Married, Carcinomata of the bowel

1917, June 14 - James McNee, 85 years, 5 months, Farmer, Widower
b. Dunblane, Scotland, Father - Duncan McNee
Lot 6 Concession 13, Port Sydney
Cause of Death - senility, Dr. Peter McGibbon

1947, Jan 10 - Charlotte Hamilton - died Stanislaus, California

1901 Census - Ontario

1901 - Macaulay Township (Film T-6486)

p. 5 Line 11 - Lot 10 Concession 12 - 145 acres

Forsythe, John, b. May 21, 1835, 65, b. Scotland, *Immigrated 1872
Forsythe, Mary, b, 22 Sept, 1840, , b. Scotland, *Immigrated 1872
Forsythe, George, b. 1 Apr, 1881
Forsythe, Clara E., b. 8 Jan 1883
Forsythe, Jessie, b. 6 Nov 1885

*This date is not correct. Could it be 1852???

John Forsyth Sr & Charlotte Cockburn

Inscription on monument -

In memory of

CHARLOTTE

Beloved wife of

JOHN FORSYTH

Died April 19, 1881

Age 85 years






1871 Census - Macaulay
p. 41
FORSYTH, John, 64, b. Scotland, Presby, Farmer
(only head of family listed)

1881 Census - Macaulay
John Forsyth, 74, b. Scotland, Presbyterian, Farmer
Sharlet Forsyth, 85, b. Scotland, Presbyterian

The families are enumerated in this order:
Schafer, Samual Lougheed, John Forsyth Sr. and Charlotte, James and Alison McNee, John Forsyth Jr. and Mary

John Forsyth (Junior) purchased Lot 9 of Concession XIII for forty dollars on April 24, 1873 (Crown Lands sale). The 1878 Muskoka District Atlas map shows only land grants, therefore no one is named on lot 9, concession XIII on this map. However, John Sr. is shown in the 1871 census as a family head, living on separate land from the rest of the family, and as a tenant on Lot 9 of Concession XII and John Jr., on Lot 9 of Concession XIII, as possessing 200 acres. Lot 10 of Concession XII was located in July of 1869 and was Freegrant with the patent issued October 12, 1875.

Charlotte died April 19, 1881 which would have been shortly after the census was taken. John Sr. died November 7, 1894. Both are buried at the Falkenburg Union Cemetery.

William Dales & Dianah Hotham

Kettleby Cemetery, King Township, Ontario

Parents of Mary Dales, Mrs. John Forsyth, Jr.

1871 Census - Ontario

The 1871 Census gives only the head of the family, unless someone is with a family of a different surname.

FORSYTH, John, 64, b.Scotland, Muskoka, Macaulay

FORESITH,Charles, 38, b. Scotland, York West, York West

FORSYTH, John, 34, b. Scotland, Muskoka, Macaulay

FORSYTH, Robert, 32, b. Scotland, Wentworth South, Ancaster

MCNEE, James, 38, b. Scotland, Muskoka, Macaulay

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NOTE: There is also a James Forsyth in Ancaster whom I have tried to match to Scots census records because he is the same age as our James, brother of John Forsyth, Sr. At this time, it is not possible to determine if there is a connection.

1871 Census Heads
FORSYTH, James, 60, b. Scotland, Wentworth South, Ancaster

1881 Census, Ancaster, Wentworth South
James FORSYTH , M, 70, b. Scotland, Farmer, Presbyterian
Jannet FORSYTH, F, 68, b. Scotland, Presbyterian
Christina FORSYTH, F, 28, b. Ontario, Presbyterian
James MCDONALD, M, Scottish, 16, b. Ontario, Presbyterian

1891 Census - Hamilton Ward 3
Janet Forsyth 80 b. Scotland, parents born Scotland
Christina 30 b. Ontario (age not correct!)

1872 Simcoe Gazetteer

Clip on the above title to see Wayne Cook's website

BRACEBRIDGE - A thriving village on the Muskoka River, in the township of Macaulay, Muskoka District, county of Victoria, in the immediate vicinity of the Free Grant Territory. The first settlement of the village dates only a few years ago, but the evidence of its prosperity and rapid growth are every where conspicuous. The water- power is first-class, and is utilized by grist, saw, planing, and woollen and carding mills. Other manufacturing establishments are also contemplated. The Northern Advocate and Free Grant Gazette, ably conducted journals, are published here. There are English, Presbyterian and Wesleyan and Primitive Methodist Churches in the village.

The scenery in the neighbourhood of Bracebridge is remarkable for its romantic beauty, hill, dale, lake, river, cataract, forest and farm are blended in picturesque variety, and tourists from all parts of the continent are recognizing the claims of the Muskoka Territory as a favorite resort for its healthiness, beauty and excellent sporting facilities.

Bracebridge connects with Gravehurst by steamers and Stages to Washago, thence by boat to Orillia and the Northern Railway. Also with the Midland Railway at Beaverton, and with stages at Rosseau for Parry Sound and the Nipissing and Maganatawan Territories. Distant from Gravenhurst 16 miles; Port Carling, 20; Rosseau, 33; and the head of Lake Joseph 42 miles.

Adam, John, carpenter....................... } Holditch & Gibbs, brick manufrs
Astley, R., painter................................ } Kennedy, Wm., shoemaker
Auger, Thos., saw mills....................... } Kent, D., North American Hotel
Ball, Rev. Thos., ch. of England.......... } Long, James, butcher
Barron, Rev. John, Presbyterian .......} Lount, C. W., magistrate
Bird, H. J., woollen factory.................. } Lount, J. E., clerk division court
Bridgland, S., M.D., druggist,.............. } Lowe, Charles, butcher
agent, Mon. Tel. Co.............................. } McFarlane, H., butcher
Boyer, James, township clerk............. } McMurray, Thomas, editor
Bowerman, Thos., painter................... } and prop. "Northern Advocate,"
Brimstin Bros., merchants.................. } insurance and general agent,
Brown, James, wagon maker.............. } merchant, &c.
Brown, Wm., ..........................................} Malpas Bros., general merchants
Browning, G.B., solicitor, ag't ...............} Mortimer, Charles, "Free Grant
Can. Per. Bldg. and Savings'................. } Gazette"
Society..................................................... } Myers, Thomas, general merchant
Burden, W. F., British Lion Hotel .........} "Northern Advocate,"
Byers, J. N., M.D. ....................................} Thos. McMurray, editorial prop.
Cheney, Frank, grocer............................} Perry, R. E., P.M., merchant
Clerihue, James, general merchant...... } miller
Clement, Jas., Dominion Hotel.............. } Robinson, Samuel, Royal Hotel
Clifford, R. W., Queen's Hotel................ } Ross, W. M.
Collinson, Thomas, black-.......................} Sibbald, Wm., painter
smith..........................................................} Slater, John, tailor
Cook, George, baker............................... } Spiers, J. H., painter
Cooper & Morton, sawmills................... } Stephenson, E. F., editor and
Daniels, Richard, stoves and.................. } prop. "Free Grant Gazette"
tinware ......................................................} Story, Charles, builder
Dill, J. W., general merchant.................. } Symington, Thos., builder
Farr, C. C................................................... } Tait, John
Fawcett, Rev. Primitive Methodist .......} Teviotdale & Hunt, general
Free Grant Gazette, E. F........................ } merchants
Stephenson, editor and prop.................. } Tomlin, John, H., painter
Hanna, Wm., book keeper...................... } Webster, Rev. John, Wesleyan
Harper, Wm., carpenter......................... } Wilson, Gillman, sawmill

FALKENBURG - A post-office in Macaulay Township, lot 2, 10th con., 6 miles from Bracebridge, and 68 from Barrie. The neighborhood was first settled in 1862 by Edwin Griffin, Sidney Tibbs, and Samuel Holditch. The Muskoka River, in the vicinity, provides almost unlimited manufacturing power.

Brown, Wm., plasterer............................. } Loughead, Robert, farmer
Clarke, Rev. John, Wesleyan ..........} Loughead, Samuel, farmer
Earnshaw, Joshua, farmer....................... } Low, David, farmer
Forsyth, John, farmer.................. } McNee, James, farmer
Galloway, David, shoemaker.................. } Miller, Robt., carpenter
Hamilton, A., farmer................................ } Moore, Francis, farmer
Holditch, Samuel, farmer......................... } Moore, Matthias, P.M.,
Jack, John, farmer.................................... } farmer
Jack, William, farmer ...............................} Palmer, John, farmer
Jackson, John, blacksmith....................... } Schafer, Samuel, farmer
Kirby, Nathaniel, farmer......................... } Stinson, Thomas, farmer
Levier, Chas., farmer............................... } Stinson, Robert, farmer
Levier, James, farmer............................. }

Bible of Charles Forsyth

I recently noted this message on a Forsyth message board...

Subject: [FORSYTH] Charles Forsyth photos & bible
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:37:28 -0700
Someone is selling a bible and many old photos of the Charles Forsyth family on eBay. Weston, Ontario is mentioned. Children were William Robert ; John Knox; Margaret Scott; Isabella Alliston, Annie Elizabeth; Charles Cockburn, James Prettie, and Mabel Forsyth. Individuals in the photos are apparently identified. Anyone out there related? The seller purchased these items at a sale in Kansas.

The message included a link which is no longer active. It seems that some of Charles Forsyth's descendants moved to the US. If anyone out there knows anything about these photos or the bible, I would love to hear from you.

Another message on the same topic:

There is a family bible and photographs of Charles Forsyth born 1833 in Scotland, immigrated to Ontario, Canada. This family then immigrated to the USA, Medicine Lodge, Kansas. In case anyone is interested these items are selling on Ebay this week. (Dated October, 2008)

Update on the bible and photos November, 2012:  Apparently these items were found in the in Kansas and someone rescued them and sold / tried to sell them on ebay.  Somehow they fell into the hands of the Forsyth family history group of America and a Forsyth descendant was given copies of the photos.  Yeah!!!

Settlement of Macaulay Township

In looking at the map of Macaulay from the 1878 Atlas, it appears that the concession roads are between the 8th/9th, the 10th/11th and the 12th/13th concessions, although the old map doesn't show any houses in the last two concessions. Here is a list of the first settlers on the northern concessions of Macaulay and the dates of location:

"Macaulay was surveyed by John Ryan in 1857 and offered for location in 1861. **Lots settled between 1861 and 1868 are not in this list, nor are any lots not settled under this Act." This list was created by Bill Martin, Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada.
Click on the title above for the full list.

CONCESSION 10
Lot Acres Name of Locatee Date of Location
4 100 Robert Loughead 13th December, 1869
7 100 Charles Sivear 4th January, 1870
8 100 James Sivear 2nd May, 1870
9 100 Louis Olimer 9th February, 1871
10 100 Robert D. H. Tabor 14th April, 1870 1
11 100 Robert D. H. Tabor 14th April, 1870

CONCESSION 11
Lot Acres Name of Locatee Date of Location
5 100 Thomas Egglefield 25th November, 1870
6 100 William Inch 31st August, 1869
7 100 George H. Appleby 5th October, 1868
8 100 Jacob R. Tabor 3rd September, 1869
9 100 Louis Olimer 6th December, 1871
10 100 David Yearley 29th October, 1872
11 101 Elon Olimer 20th June, 1873
12 101 John McLean 30th July, 1868

CONCESSION 12
Lot Acres Name of Locatee Date of Location
2 120 Thomas Quintten 8th September, 1869
3 100 Thomas Quintten 27th January, 1871
7 100 Samuel Loughead 5th June, 1869
8 100 Samuel Loughead 16th October, 1869
10 105 John Forsyth, Jr. 20th July, 1869 (Deeded Oct 12/1875)

CONCESSION 13
Lot Acres Name of Locatee Date of Location
2 112 William D. Meggison 21st February, 1870
3 100 William D. Meggison 14th August, 1872
4 100 Michael Shaffer 17th September, 1869
5 100 Michael Shaffer 17th September, 1869
8 100 John Clark 13th February, 1872
**9 100 John Forsyth - no location date - Deeded - 24th April, 1873
Above is not on this list. Added from other records.
10 103 John Jones 12th July, 1872
11 102 Charles Jones 4th June, 1870
12 103 Charles Jones 4th June, 1870
13 103 John Jones 14th October, 1870
14 104 James Jones 3rd June, 1870
15 105 William Isbister 14th September, 1870

John Forsyth & Mary Dales

The following is copied from notes made by Jessie (Forsyth) Peacock, daughter of John Forsyth and Mary Dales - transcribed by Jessie's grand daughter, Jeanne. Written by Jessie before 1965.

John Forsyth was born in Darlington (Dirleton)Parish Haddington Shire, Scotland and came to Canada with his parents when about 20 years old (ca. 1855), living for a time in King County near Kettleby, Ontario.

(Note: Records show that John came before his parents. In 1861 they are still in Scotland and he is with the Dales family in King Township.)

In 1861 he was married to Mary Dales, daughter of Diana Otherham and William Dales. Mary Dales was born in 1840 in Kettleby. They resided in King County (Township) till 1865. The young couple then left with team and oxen for Bracebridge, Muskoka which was a town in the making and had only one house in it and was practically a dense forest. There was no train running to Muskoka then and the roads were almost impassable.

They lived in Bracebridge for a time and John was chiefly engaged in cutting roads. He located two lots in Macaulay and cut a good road from them to Bracebridge. His lots were located on the 12th Concession of Macaulay where he lived the remainder of his life. He died July 2nd, 1908 and was buried in Falkenburg Cemetery.

His father and mother lived in the next lot to them and one night the house took fire. It was just a one-storey house and they had to get his father out through a small window or he would have been burnt to death.

They were Presbyterians and attended church when well every Sunday morning at Parkersville Church (which has been pulled down and rebuilt by the Cowley Fathers.) There was a large family - 7 girls and 5 boys, only 3 of us left now.

There were many hardships in those days. Lots of times Father had to walk to Orillia (more than 60 miles return trip) to get flour and other provisions for his family. There were lots of wild animals such as bears, wolves, and deer. Fortunately there were lots of berries and Mother used to pick them and put them on boards to dry, then they would cook them as they needed them. As sugar was scarce and dear she also used to peel apples and string them and hang them up to dry. When cooked they tasted like fresh apples.

They had to wash with a wash board and made their own soap by putting wood ashes in a barrel then putting water on them letting the lye run out of the barrel, then they boiled the lye with fat they had saved till it was thick and they used that to wash with and scrub their floor with a scrubbing brush on their knees. No such conveniences as they have now.

Mother also spun her own yarn. They kept sheep and Father would shear the sheep and take the wool to the woollen mill and had rollings made out of it. Then Mother would spin it on her spinning wheel and make it into yarn to knit socks and mitts for the family. She also made all their shirts, pants and all wearing apparel and still had time to go and visit a sick neighbour.

1881 Census - Macaulay Township, Muskoka, Ontario

John FORSYTH, Scottish, 45, b. Scotland, Farmer, C. Presbyterian
Mary FORSYTH, English, 40, b. Ontario
Charlotte FORSYTH...........18, b. Ontario, Servant
*Deiann FORSYTH............. 16, b. Ontario, Servant
Sarah FORSYTH............... 14, b. Ontario
John Thomas FORSYTH...12, b. Ontario..going to school
William FORSYTH............ 11, b. Ontario..going to school
James FORSYTH.................8, b. Ontario..going to school
Robert FORSYTH................6, b. Ontario..going to school
Mary FORSYTH.................. 4, b. Ontario
Elizabeth FORSYTH............2, b. Ontario
George FORSYTH....................b. April, 1881, Ontario

*Diana is also shown in King Township as a servant with her Uncle David Dales

1891 Census - Macaulay Township
p. 25
John Forsythe.......................56, b. Scotland
Mary Jane..................................... 50, b. Scotland
John J........................................... 22, b.Scotland
William..........................................21, b. Ontario
James.............................................19, b. Ontario
Robert........................................... 17, b. Ontario
Mary.............................................. 14, b. Ontario
Elizabeth........................................12, b. Ontario
George............................................10, b. Ontario
Emma.............................................. 8, b. Ontario
Jessie............................................... 5, b. Ontario
Joseph..............................................3, b. Ontario

and John and Charlotte's daughter, Alison, on Lot 6, Concession XIII

James McNee................................. 59, Presbyterian
Alison McNee..................................59
John McNee....................................23, b. Scotland (?)
James McNee..................................21, b. Ontario
Charlotte McNee.............................18, b. Ontario
Susan Rickett, 22

Order of families enumerated:
Schaffer, McNee, Clark, Forsyth, Emmery, Wol__, Orr

William & Dianah Dales, King Twp

1851 Census - King Township
(Canada West Reel #60 - C-988) 403 - Part 2 - p. 22 marked at bottom)

1861 Census - King Township Enumerated March 5, 1861
(Film C1088 - At the beginning of the microfilm)
District 9, p. 8 (112 at top right)

J___ Forsyth, Labourer, b. Scotland, Pres, 25 next birthday, (He is shown as a family member, 'M' was entered in the marital status column and then crossed out)
Mary McAuley (?), Pres. 15, single, non-member of family
William Dale, 62 , b. England
Dinah Dale, 53 , b. England
David Dale, 32 , b. England
Thom Dale, 24, b. Ontario
Mary Dale, 21, b. Canada
?John/James Dale, 15, b. Canada
Susan Dale, 14, b. Canada
Richard Dale, 12, b. Canada
all ages are 'next birthday'
2 males attending school, 1 male absent from family, 1 male over 20 illiterate, log cabin, 1 story, 1 family,

Forsyth Emigration from Scotland

According to Scots census records (see May 2, 2009 post for John and Charlotte Forsyth), the family of John Forsyth and Charlotte Cockburn are listed as follows:

1841 - Dirleton, East Lothian

John was an agricultural labourer, age 35, and Charlotte, age 40, and all family members , age 3-10, are together in Dirleton. Living with them is a 37 year old female servant and a 15 year old male servant.

1851 - Dunbar, East Lothian, Dunbar Landward, Dunbar Upper Post Rd, Eweford Cottages

John is 45 and an agricultural labourer (born Pennycuick, Mid-Lothian) and Charlotte is 55 (born in East Lothian). Alison is 19 and John, 15, and both are shown as an agricultural labourers. Robert is 13 and still in school. All children are born in Dirleton. There is a Charles Brown, 11, also still in school. He might be a nephew, son of Charlotte's other sister.

The eldest son Charles is living with his mother's sister Ann Goodlet near Dirleton in a village called Unk. Their address is 32 Cotters House. Her husband Hugh is a cart(er?)/millwright and Charles is shown as a "Lodger, 17, Wright Apprentice, b. E. L.-Dirleton."

1861 - Crawhill (Crowhill?) near Innerwick (south of Dunbar) East Lothian

John is 56 and a shepherd. Only their youngest son is with them now. "FORSYTH, Robert, Son, age 23, Tailor Journeyman, b. E.L.-Dirleton." Alison is in Dirleton with her Aunt Ann Goodlet and her husband Hugh, and Alison is shown as a "Visiter, 29, Dressmaker, b. E. L.-Dirleton"

We know that in the 1861 Canadian census, John Jr. is unmarried and with the Dales family in King Township in Ontario. Charles location is not known but a later census states that he came to Canada in 1855. His wife was born in Ontario, so it can be assumed that he was not married when he left Scotland. John's obit says he came at 20 which would have been 1855. It is therefore assumed that the two eldest sons emigrated from Scotland together.

The parents, John and Charlotte, daughter Alison, and son Charles must have emigrated between the 1861 and 1871 census taking.

John's obituary also states that he went to Muskoka in 1860 (48 years before 1908), however, he wasn't married in the 1861 census and several of the children were born in King Township. It is probable that he went to Muskoka in the mid 1860's.

One wonders if other family members were already in Canada, and Charles and John were drawn initially to where they lived. John Sr.'s older brother, James ,was born in 1811. There are many James in the 1871 census for Ontario. Below are those that were born in Scotland and Presbyterian. I've also included some who might be sons of a James.

1871 Census - all Ontario - James Forsyth who are Pres. and Scotch

FORSYTH , James, Age 40, B. Scotland, Reformed Pres.
Farmer, County Addington, Newburgh Village

FORSYTH , James, age 46, b. Ontario., Can Pres. Farmer
County Huron, Grey Twp.

FORSYTH , James, Age 44 B. Scotland, Can. Pres , Farmer, County Huron, Tuckersmith Twp.

FORSYTH , James, Age 62 B. Scot., Pres. Scotland, Limeburner
County Haldiman, Oneida Twp.

FORSYTH , James, Age 68 B. Scot. Can. Pres. Farmer
County Carleton, Gloucester Twp.

FORSYTH , James , Age 60 B. Scot. Can. Pres. Farmer
County Wentworth, Ancaster Twp.

FORSYTH , James, Age 45, B. Ontario Wes. Methodist,
Ethnic Origin German, Farmer, County Wentworth, Ancaster Twp. (included to establish that there were Forsyths in Ancaster not related to our Robert)

There is no Thomas Forsyth born about 1818 or a Robert born about 1808 who might be brothers of John Forsyth, Sr.

Cockburns and Mortons - 2

**Below is S.L. Bowyer's search of LDS Records in 1980's

Deaths and Burials from Session Record of Dirleton 1830-1851

Feb 20, 1831 Mortcloth to Margaret Morton (cost).....00.10.06

Dec 08, 1833 Mortcloth to Thomas Cockburn..............00.10.06

Feb 05, 1837 Mortcloth to John Cockburn...................00.08.00

Feb 05, 1837 Mortcloth to AlisonMorton...........00.08.00

Aug 19, 1838 Mortcloth to Charles Cockburn...00.05.00

Dec 08, 1839 Coffin & Expenses for R. Cockburn.........01.00.06

May 15, 1842 Mortcloth -Thos Cockburn Innkeeper...00.02.06

Notes: - Cost expressed in Pounds, Shillings and Pence
-Women normally shown with maiden name or husband's name with Mrs.

Cockburns & Mortons - 1

~The following notes were made by Jessie (Forsyth) Peacock some time
before her death in 1965. Transcribed by granddaughter Jeanne.

West Fenton Scotland
The family of Charles Cockburn & Alison Morton

Charles (**Cochrane) Cockburn born Nov. 6 1754
Alison Morton born Feb. 24th 1753

Sheriff ............born June 11th, 1780
Margaret....... born Dec. 1st, 1781
Robert............ born Oct. 10th, 1783
James............. born Sept. 7th, 1785
Charles........... born Sept. 26th, 1786
Andrew.......... born April 14th, 1788
William.......... born March 17th, 1791
Charlotte.....born Mar 11th, 1796
Anna............... born July 12, 1797

**I have placed 'Cochrane' in brackets because I think there was some confusion
over the surname. Cochrane was the married name of Marion Forsyth, sister of
our John Forsyth.

Comments: The following baptism is in the Dirleton Parish Registers (only Charlotte's was noted):

Charlote Cockburn, daughter of Charles Cockburn, Taylor in West Fenton and Alison Morton was born 11th March baptised the 19th of the same month witnesses - James Cockburn, G. Smith - signed Wm Graham

Charlotte's sister, Anna, married Hugh Goodlet. The Goodlets appear in the previous census posts.

East Lothian formerly Haddingtonshire

Above - Detail of Fenton area, south of Dirleton, East Lothian
(from streetmap.co.uk) Click on maps to enlarge.

The above map shows the locations mentioned in the census records with a yellow highlight. A red arrow points to the Fenton area where James and Helen Forsyth moved from Penicuik, Mid-Lothian with five young children about 1814. The three youngest children- Helen, Thomas and Janet, were born in Fenton and baptised in Dirleton.

By the time the 1841 census was taken, only John Jr. and his wife Charlotte, were in Dirleton perhaps because John was a farmer and possibly a shepherd. The list below shows the location of all the family members when the 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses were taken:

Name.......................1841.....................1851......................1861.........
James...................Haddington.................deceased...................deceased...........
Helen....................Haddington................Haddington..............deceased...........
Christian.........Nisbet Loanhead.......Nisbet Loanhead......Nisbet Loanhead....
Marion..................Haddington................Haddington...............Haddington......
John..................Fenton, Dirleton.........Landward, Dunbar........Innerwick.......
Robert....................unknown....................unknown....................unknown.........
James...................Edinburgh..................Edinburgh..................unknown.........
Helen...............Nisbet Loanhead...........Gladsmuir..................Gladsmuir.........
Thomas..................unknown..............Kelso, Roxburgh.............unknown.........
Janet................Tyninghame....Sunnybank,Haddington...St.Boswell,Roxburgh

Janet "Jessie" Forsyth, b. 1822

The youngest child of James and Helen was Janet who was born in Dirleton, EL on July 13, 1822.

JANET female, birth 13 Jul 1822 Dirleton, East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) [Microfilm Frame No 753 - from E.Collins

Her father's occupation is shown as 'Shepherd, Dirleton,' and her mother's name is shown as Helen Scott. http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Family history provides only the note that she was called 'Jessie' and that she married and went to Australia.

In 1841, we find Janet, 20, living a few miles from her parents in Dunbar and working for the Sanderson family as a servant:

1841 Census - Whitekirk-Tyningham-EL
Address: Tynninghame
SANDERSON, George, M, 50, Tailor, b. EL
SANDERSON, Elizabeth, F, 1, b. EL
SANDERSON, Robert, M, 35, Tailor Journeyman, b. EL
DEANS, George, M, 20, Tailor Journeyman, b. EL
BROWN, Alex, M, 15, Tailor Apprentice, b. EL
DEANS, Robert, M, 15, Agricultural Labourer
WHITE, Elizabeth, F, 65, b. EL
YORKSTON Mary F 40 Female Servant, b. EL
FORSYTH, Janet, F, 20, Female Servant, b. EL

In 1851, Janet has not married and gone off to Australia yet. She is still working as a domestic, this time for three Donaldson spinsters with incomes who live close to Haddingtonshire where Janet's sister, Marion Cochrane, lives.

1851 Census Haddington -EL, Address: Sunnybank
DONALDSON, Jane, Head, U, F, 78, Annuitant, b. Haddington
DONALDSON, Jess, Sister, U, F, 73 , Annuitant, b. Haddington
DONALDSON, Catharine, Sister, U, F, 68, Annuitant, b. Haddington
DICKINSON, Helen, Servant, U, F, 28, House Servant, b. Dunbar
FORSYTH, Janet, Servant, U, F, 28 ,House Servant, b. Dirleton
In 1861, Janet is with her nephew in St. Boswell, Roxburgh 42 miles from Edinburgh and west of Kelso where Thomas Forsyth was in 1851. The nephew is the eldest son of her sister, Marian Cochrane of Haddington. His wife is absent in this census but reappears in 1871 census. Janet is keeping house, perhaps just in the wife's absence. Also present is John's younger brother David and he is shown as a visitor. If you click on the title, you will see the website for this inn which is still functioning.

1861 Census - St. Boswell, Roxburghshire Address: Buccleugh Arms Inn
Cochrane, John, 36, B. Haddington, E.L. Innkeeper / Farmer of 20 Ac ,Emp, 1 man
Cochrane, Euphemia, 3, b. St. Boswells Roxburgh
Cochrane, John, 1, b. St. Boswells, Roxburgh
Cochrane, David, 26, b abt 1835, Visitor, Warehouseman
Forsyth, Janet, 40, Aunt, b. Direlton, E.L., Housekeeper

In 1871 John Cochrane has moved to Liberton, Midlothian and is living in the 'Old Farm House' with wife, Margaret. Two more children have been born. They have one domestic. In 1881 they are still in the same town, Liberton, but John is now a 'sanitary inspector'. They have four children between 14 and twenty-three.

I have been unable to find Janet Forsyth in the 1871 or 1881 census records. Let's hope Janet made the journey to Australia and that her descendants are thriving there.

Robert, James & Thomas Forsyth

This post was revised December 6, 2010 and March 2011 after new information about these men was found in the Penicuik Parish Registers and census records.
Above: Baptism of Robert Forsyth, Pencuik Parish, 1808 - 'Forsyth, James, Farmer of Farleyhope, Parish of Linton and Helen Scott his spouse had a child born the 29th of August 1808 and baptized 28th named ROBERT Witnesses- Robert Scott and Alexander Davidson'

Robert Forsyth, the second son of James and Helen Forsyth, was born the 29th of August probably in Farleyhope, in the Parish of Linton (Peebleshire) south-west of Penicuik. He was baptised the 28th (probably September) in Penicuik, Midlothian. His father, James, was a farmer at the time of the baptism. The Forsyths obviously had a connection to Penicuik to bring their children back there to be baptized while living elsewhere.
Oral history has preserved Robert's occupation as 'baker.' There is a May, 1827 marriage between a Robert Forsyth and a Helen Burnet. Banns are read in both Haddington and Innerwick. The witnesses are a James and a Thomas Forsyth; however, when I follow this couple in the census records, Robert gives his place of birth as Spott, East Lothian and he is an agricultural labourer, not a baker. In addition, his age does not match in the later census records. I have been unable to find any other Robert in the 1841, 1851, and 1861 census records in Scotland who might be the son of James and Helen.

Above: Baptism of James Forsyth, Penicuik Parish, 1811 - "Forsyth, James and Helen Scott from the Parish of Lasswade had a child born the 15th of March, 1811 and baptized the 20th /29th (?) named JAMES Witnesses: John Thomson and Walter Forsyth

The baptism of James Forsyth, third son of James and Helen, is recorded in the Penicuik, Midlothian registers as the 20 / 29th of March, 1811. He had been born on March 15th probably in Lasswade, Midlothian were his parents were living at the time of his baptism.

James Forsyth's marriage to Jane Fraser, daughter of William, was declared at St Cuthbert's in Edinburgh August 29, 1835 and January 11, 1836. Their first child, Sarah, was born in Linlithgow, West Lothian on April 2nd, 1837 and their second daughter, Helen, was born September 8, 1839 in St. Cuthbert's.

In the 1841 census they are in Edinburgh with just their daughter, Helen, and James' occupation is Maltster Journeyman. The 1851 census confirms that this James is the son of James and Helen Forsyth in that he reports his birthplace as Lasswade:

SCT 1851 Place: Canongate -Midlothian, 129 Canongate 1 Panmure Close
FORSYTH, James, Head, 44, Grinder Of Cutlery, b. Midlothian-Lasswade
FORSYTH, Jane Wife M F 45 b. Midlothian - St Cuthberts
FORSYTH, Helen Dau U F 11 Scholar b. Midlothian - St Cuthberts

The birth of Thomas Forsyth, fourth son of James and Helen, has been submitted to the IGI as May 22, 1818.
THOMAS male, birth 22 May 1818 Dirleton, East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) [Microfilm Frame No 659] from Parish Registers (E. Collins)

(http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl)

Oral history provides the information that he was a railway guard on the line between Berwick - Edinburgh. It also gives a date of death as 1846; however, this may have been his date of marriage for it is obvious that he is still alive for the 1851 census.

There is a December 2, 1845 marriage of a Thomas Forsyth and an Ann Cameron of Canongate, Edinburgh on the IGI. The bride was the daughter of John Cameron. The 1851 Census gives our Thomas' wife as born in Edinburgh.
1851 CENSUS Kelso -Roxburghshire Address: Oven Wynd
FORSYTH, Thomas, Head, 31, Railway Guard, EL-Dirleton
FORSYTH, Ann, Wife, F, 26, Midlothian - Edinburgh
FORSYTH, James, Son, M, 4, Scholar, Midlothian – Edinburgh
WHITE, Janet, Servant F, 16, Peeblesshire - Peebles

If you click on the title of this post, you will open a website for a rental of the Oven Wynd housing. This article gives a description of Kelso, and states that it is 25 miles from Berwick, where Thomas would go for his employment.

I haven't found Thomas and Jane in the census records again; however, in 1861, we find two Forsyth boys with their grandmother in St. Cuthbert's, Edinburgh. It would seem that one or both their parents were deceased.

1861 Census - Canning Place (Canning House), St. Cuthbert's, Edinburgh
Anne Cameron, 67, b. Glencode, Argyllshire, Fund Holder
Clementine Rutherford, 47, daughter, coachman's wife
Catherine Cameron, 29, house keeper
Robert Cameron, son, cashier, stationer
James Forsyth, 14, b. Edinburgh, grandson
Thomas Forsyth, 9, b. Kelso, Roxburgh, grandson

Helen Forsyth Wallace, 1841, 51, 61

1871 and 1881 census records added March/11

1841 Census - Pencaitland, East Lothian
Address - Nisbet Loanhead

EWART, Francies, age 40, Black Smith, b. East Lothian
EWART, Christain, age 35, b. Outside County
EWART, William, age 15, Black Smith Appren., b. E. Lothian
EWART, James, age 13, b. East Lothian
EWART, Not yet named, Female, age 1 wk, b. East Lothian
FORSYTH, Helen, age 20, Servant, b. East Lothian

Helen Forsyth and Peter Wallace were married on the
26th of June in 1846 in Aberlady, East Lothian
(south west of Direlton)


1851 Census Gladsmuir -East Lothian
Address - Henmuir

WALLESS, Petter, Head, age 36, Farm Labourer, E. L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, Hellen,Wife, age 36, b. E. L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, Thomas, Son, age 9, Scholar, E. L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, James, Son, age 7, Scholar, E. L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, Petter, Son, age 5, b. E.L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, Hellen, Dau, age 3, b. E.L.-Dirleton
WALLESS, Marryann, Dau, age 3 mo., b. E. L.-Gladsmuir

1861 Census Gladsmuir-East Lothian
Address - Henmuir

WALLACE, Peter, Head, age 47, Gen. Labourer,
b. E. L.-Dirleton
WALLACE, Helen, b. 46, Wife, b. E. L.-Dirleton
WALLACE, Thomas, Son, age 18, Coal Miner,
b. E.L.-Haddington
WALLACE, James, Son, age 17, Store Keeper,
b. E. L.-Haddington
WALLACE, Peter, Son, age 15, Farm Servant,
b. E. L.-Haddington
WALLACE, Helen, Dau, age 12, Scholar, b. E. L.-Gladsmuir
WALLACE, Mary A., Dau, age 10, Scholar, b. E. L.-Gladsmuir
WALLACE, Christina, Dau, age 8, Scholar, b. E. L.-Gladsmuir
WALLACE, William, age 3, Gen Lab's Son, b. E.L.-Gladsmuir

1871 Census - New Winton, Pencaitland, East Lothian
(New Winton is west of Gladsmuir)

Helen Walace, 56, b. Dirleton, formerly dairy maid
Thomas Walace, 28, b. Gladsmuir, coalminer
Margret Walace, 21, b. Gladsmuir, general servant, domestic
William Walace, 13, b. Gladsmuir, coal miner

1881 Census - Wilson's Land, Old Monkland, Western District,
Lanarkshire (just east of Glasgow)

Helen Wallace, 66, b. Direlton
Mary Ann Wallace, 30 dau, b. Gladsmuir
Thomas Wallace, 38, coal miner
Agnes Y. Wallace, 5, b, Coatbridge, Lanarkshire
Peter Wallace, 2, b. Baillieston, Lanarkshire
Isabella Shanks (no more information)
* The children's father is Thomas

John Forsyth -1841, 51, 61

1841 Census - Dirleton, East Lothian
Address: Fenton
FARTHISITH, John, age 35, Ag Lab, born Outside Co.
FARTHISITH, Charlot, age 40, b. East Lothian
FARTHISITH, Alison, age 10, b. East Lothian
FARTHISITH, Charles, age 8, b.East Lothian
FARTHISITH, John, age 6, b. East Lothian
FARTHISITH, Robert, age 3, b. East Lothian
MANABE, Hugh, age 15, Servant, b. East Lothian
FRASHER, Mary, age 37, Servant, b. Outside Co.

1851 Census Dunbar, East Lothian, Dunbar Landward,
Dunbar Upper Post Rd,
Address: Eweford Cottages
FORSYTH, John, Head, age 45, Ag Lab, b. M.L.-Pennycuick
FORSYTH, Charlotte, Wife, age 55, b. E.L.-Dirleton
FORSYTH, Alison, Dau, U, F, 19, Farm Lab, b. E.L.-Dirleton
FORSYTH, John, Son, age 15, Farm Lab, b. E.L.-Dirleton
FORSYTH, Robert, Son, age 13, Scholar, b. E.L.-Dirleton
BROWN, Charles, Boarder, age 11, Scholar, b. E.L.-Dirleton

1851 Census Dirleton -East Lothian
Village: Unk,
Address: 32 Cotters House
GOODLET, Hugh, Head, 52, Cart/Millwright, b. E.L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Ann, Wife, 53, E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Hugh, Son, 22, Blacksmith, b. E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Charles, Son, 21, Millwright, b. E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, William, Son, 19, Millwright, b.E. L.-Prestonkirk
GOODLET, Alison, Dau, 18, House Servant, E. L.-Prestonkirk
GOODLET, James, Son, 16, Wright Apprentice, E.L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Andrew, Son, 14, Wright Apprentice, E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, John, Son, 9, Scholar, E. L.-Atholstaneford
FORSYTH, Charles, Lodger, 17, Wright Apprentice, b. E. L.-Dirleton


Found this photo on the internet. The Forsyths might have lived in this complex (or something similar) when they lived at Crowhill / Crawhill.

1861 Census Innerwick -East Lothian
Address: Crawhill (Probably Crowhill)
FORSYTH, John, Head, age 56, Shepherd, b. M. L.-Penicuik
FORSYTH, Charlote, Wife, age 64, b. E. L.-Dirleton
FORSYTH, Robert, Son, age 23, Tailor Journeyman, b. E.L.-Dirleton

1861 Census Dirleton -East Lothian
Address: Wright Shop
GOODLET, Hugh, 62, Wright Master, b. E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Ann, Wife, 63, b. E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, Andrew, Son, 24, Wright with father, b. E. L.-Dirleton
GOODLET, John, Son, 20, Wright with father, b. E. L.-Athelstaneford
FORSYTH, Alison, Unm, Visitr, 29, Dressmaker,
b. E. L.-Dirleton